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27 May 2011 @ 07:09 pm
Fandom's Little Black Dress  
Spike has been called the little black dress of the Buffyverse because one can ship him with pretty much any character from Angel to Xander. The impulsive vampire with the punk demeanor and poet's heart is shipped heavily in fandom. Do you ship Spike with many different characters or just one? If you ship Spike with another character, canon pairing or otherwise, who and why?

EDIT: I just got back from work so I haven't monitored this post but belated, I want to remind people that pairing or character bashing is not accepted. Just because you don't understand why someone would ship Spike and Halfrek, for instance, doesn't mean that you have to bash the ship. There are ways to express dislike of a pairing and ship without bashing. The show is over and we're all having fun so there is no need to start up old ship wars.
 
 
 
Staringiscaring: doc's gunstaringiscaring on May 28th, 2011 02:13 am (UTC)
I can ship Spike with pretty much anyone but in many ways, if the shows had continued then I wouldn't have wanted him any of them. I feel like Spike needs some time to himself to figure out where he is supposed to be and exactly who he is. He's kinda like a truffle and has taken so many of his lovers flavors, if you will, that some alone time would be good. However, in fanfiction, I love Spike ships especially Drusilla/Spike, Willow/Spike, Angel/Spike, Angel/Spike/Buffy, and Darla/Spike.
slaymesoftlyslaymesoftly on May 28th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC)
In terms of the show - I only ship Spike with Buffy (after his time with Dru was done). In fic? He is a little black dress. I can ship him with just about
anyone except maybe Riley (I've seen one or two of those that were dark enough to almost work, but still...)
I think he can be shipped with almost anyone because a) he's adorable - who wouldn't? lol
b) he is such a complex person, and he's flirty and sexy, so it's easy to posit him with various characters at various points in his life. For me, in order for it to work, it usually has to be pre-Buffy or post-Buffy (she's dead or out of his life in some other fairly permanent way), but I can see him seeking solace/comfort as he did with Anya with other women too.
Paul Gadzikowskiscarfman on May 28th, 2011 02:34 am (UTC)

As a Buffy/Angel 'shipper I tend to think everyone would be happier if Spike took up with Dawn.

Staringiscaring: cesarelucreziastaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:04 am (UTC)
Next time, lets keep it more on topic please. You're getting into murky wank-baiting territory. We're focusing on Spike right now and not Buffy and Angel.
Rebcake: btvs_spru_goodgamesrebcake on May 28th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
I can see Spike paired up with just about anyone in fic, though I like to be convinced of the likelihood if it's not canon (and even if it is). Dru and Buffy are my favorites to write him with, but I'll read many other pairings. Some favorites are Spike/Giles, Spike/Fred, Spike/Lydia, Spike/Wedding Date, and so on. Spike/Xander can be really fun, but I have trepidation about Spike/Angel fic, because I'm not interested in reading about Angel bullying Spike in the bedroom as well as outside of it, so I only really enjoy fic that turns that on its head. (Of course, my baseline stand is that Angel shouldn't have sex with anyone, so that's an issue, too.)

Spike is a very accommodating partner, and he's used to striving on behalf of his beloved, sometimes with very little encouragement, so that works with a lot of people. A fic that shows him in a reciprocal romance is a special treat, since it's something so often denied to him in canon.
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:07 am (UTC)

Spike is a very accommodating partner, and he's used to striving on behalf of his beloved, sometimes with very little encouragement, so that works with a lot of people.


I think you're right on that. Even when he is evil, he's still the rabid dog that won't (usually) bite you.
Liliaethliliaeth on May 28th, 2011 04:18 am (UTC)
Showwise I pretty much ship Spike with Buffy and Angel (seperately preferable cause my only hinder in the B/S/A threesome is that I can't stand to see B/A together ;-))

But fanfic wise well... there's maybe one or two characters I won't ship him with. Andrew because I don't read Andrew pairings at all, not even ones involving Spike, and Willow because I'd think she'd destroy Spike if they ever started dating.

Everyone else, he'd go with perfectly.
Neo's Girlneos_girl on May 28th, 2011 01:39 pm (UTC)
I'm curious. How and why do you think Willow would destroy Spike?
Liliaeth: blood punkliliaeth on May 28th, 2011 01:56 pm (UTC)
Well I'll admit in advance that I can't stand Willow, so I'm probably biased.

But that aside. Willow is a very controlling personality. She can't stand for her partner to disagree with her and has in the past made use of both passive aggressiveness and magic to make them do what she wants.

She has previously had severe issues in misuse of her magic, raped her girlfriend and never even came close to accepting her guilt in that matter. In fact, when Tara confronted her about it, she pretended she'd stop, and then went around and did it again. And the thing that makes this worst for me, was the scene after Tara broke up with her over this, where she was sitting on the bed, playing with one of Tara's dresses and was all "Tara left me for no good reason"

The very fact that she was simply incapable of understanding the severity of what she'd done. And unlike Spike in Seeing Red, she actually had a soul at the time.

Combine that with Spike who has a tendency to throw himself into relationships with all of his being. To surrender his own ego in order to become what his partner wants him to be. Whether it was Drusilla's dark knight, Angelus' partner/minion/toy or whatever the hell Buffy was using him for at the time.

And unlike Buffy, Willow would not have the sense to realize that what she'd be doing to him, would be wrong for him. When Spike chose to get his soul to become worthy of Buffy, it was his choice, his decision. With Willow, I could see her ensouling him, thinking she's doing him a favor, without ever asking him if he'd be OK with it.

She'd turn him, twist him and make him bend to please her until it destroyed everything he was. And unlike Tara and Oz, he, especially unsouled, wouldn't have the moral understanding to put a stop to it and stand up for himself.

Souled, maybe he'd stand a chance, but any time before that, she'd destroy him and drag them both down, probably with the best of intentions.

Willow needs a partner who's willing to stand up to her, and much as I love Spike, I can't see him being able to do so, if he ever were to fall in love with her.
Rebcake: btvs_spi_lighterrebcake on May 28th, 2011 07:09 pm (UTC)
This is very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out so clearly.
Staringiscaring: willowstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 03:57 am (UTC)
Its odd but I love the dark possibilities of Willow and Spike just for these reasons.
dancing till the world ends: spangel: in sunlightlynnenne on May 28th, 2011 04:41 am (UTC)
I've read and enjoyed Spike paired with a lot of characters: Faith, Lilah, Connor, Dru, Darla - even the odd Spuffy fic. But the vast majority of what I read and write is Spike/Angel. Aside from the boys' hotness, the pairing just does it for me. I love the snark, I love the constant competition, I love their history and family issues and deep psychological trauma. I love the way that they mirror each other, despite being such very different personalities. I love the way that Spike is always rebelling, and the way that Angel, for all his protestations, lets him get away with it. I love it when they call each other on their bullshit - because no one else can, really; no one else gets where they're coming from.

I don't see them as monogamous, and I totally buy the idea of one or the other of them falling in love with someone else. I especially like the idea of Spike/Connor - the parallels! The daddy issues! The ubiquitous pop culture references! The fun they would have driving Angel batshit crazy!

But in the end, Spike and Angel will always gravitate back towards each other. Not because it's true love, but because they're family, they understand each other, and being immortal, they're kind of stuck with each other.

And good lord, who else could put up with their antics? :)
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:09 am (UTC)

But in the end, Spike and Angel will always gravitate back towards each other. Not because it's true love, but because they're family, they understand each other, and being immortal, they're kind of stuck with each other.


Thats the Spangel that I love best. I hate it when they written really sappy. You explained your ship very well, btw.
dancing till the world ends: spangel: when in romelynnenne on May 30th, 2011 02:46 am (UTC)
Well, it's not like I've never written them as sappy before. Because I have! And I probably will again. It's just that they're such guys, and even though I think they do love each other underneath it all, they'd rather cut out their tongues than admit it. The one time I did write them admitting it, it immediately devolved into an argument. Because what are Spike and Angel without making fun of each others' hair?
taaroko: fanged four flashtaaroko on May 28th, 2011 05:57 am (UTC)
Spike/Dru. At least when he's soulless. With a soul, I'll accept Spike/Faith, though I generally prefer Faith/Wood. I loathe Spuffy, Spike/Harmony is just annoying and stupid, I don't do slash, and most non-canon pairings make no sense to me, so that pretty much leaves Spike/Dru. Which I find completely delightful. Villain ships are fun, but few villain ships are as fun to watch as they are. In fact, with only a few exceptions, the only times I even like Spike at all are his scenes with Dru.
Staringiscaring: darladrustaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:11 am (UTC)
I can agree. I like Spike the most in canon when he is with Drusilla. She makes him a better villain and a richer character.
Heather: Cordy the good fightajzkitten69 on May 28th, 2011 08:16 am (UTC)
In almost all cases, I tend to ship Spike with Buffy. Despite the fact that I don't particularly like her as a character, mostly because of how she treats him in season 6...Spike loves her. And I love him so much that I want him to have what he wants. I am always, always a sucker for the bad guy that becomes good for the heroine. Seriously, like, 90% of my favorite pairings fit that template, and Spike and Buffy were a big part of that (though they didn't start that trend in my mind...the beginning of that was actually Xena and Ares for me).

I also have a strange thing, in fic at least, for Spike/Cordy. I can't explain it all that well, except....well, they're just both so snarky. And so pretty. The idea makes me happy, if the author can make it work in a way other than the two of them hooking up because they're the castoffs of Buffy and Angel. Because that just makes me less than happy.
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:12 am (UTC)
Spike and Cordy seem like they would be awesome together. Its a shame they didn't get many scenes together.
Fender Lovefenderlove on May 28th, 2011 09:21 am (UTC)
Well, I think that Spike's ability to love and empathize allow him to be shipped with just about anyone. If it was written correctly, you could probably reasonably ship everyone with everyone with the right plot. Personally, the only pairing with Spike I cannot stand and does not work at all for me is Spike/Buffy. I didn't want it when the show was on the air, and I don't see anyone writing it in a way that makes me enjoy it unless Buffy is written completely different than how she behaves in canon. I think that the two show-canon characters that I ship him the most with are Angel and Fred. For Angel, I think that he and Spike just have incredible chemistry, and whether they want to admit it or not, they are alike in that they have shared experiences. Plus, fate keeps throwing them together.

Fred is almost completely suited to him in every way, and maybe that is by virtue of how he came to know her- that she was very in-charge, commanding, captivating, and can't have the wool pulled over her eyes. Wesley, Angel, and Gunn all saw her when she was her most vulnerable first; they all want to protect her and need convincing that she's not helpless even though she proves herself again and again. To Spike, she's already a f*****g hero. She risked everything to save him for no other reason than the fact that she has an enormous heart and level of empathy that the other characters do not have. Spike instantly became one of her "boys" without having to do a thing. And Spike can't deny that there is poetry in the love between a romantic poet and a scientist/physicist who are both just about the mousy, nerdiest little creatures to ever meet. Spike was so gentle with her, so quiet, so closer to William than he has ever been; he can be William for her, but still the William he wants to be- more confident and charming, at ease with her and himself. He's vulnerable around her, but he's not scared to be like he was with Buffy. It took him nearly dying to ask for help from Buffy, but with Fred he knew he didn't have to worry about her sneering at him or mocking him for his weakness. He wanted Fred to save him, not anyone else. They're so very alike- pouty and volital and passionate and caring and loving and hilarious and geeky. Plus, Fred's the only member of the gang who likes the songs on Smile Time ("There's a Little Bit of Math in Everything"), and Spike likes the edutainment song "Courage and Pluck." :D

Also, I like a bit of Spike and Drusilla in a flashback capacity because they are insanely wonderful when Angelus is not around. And as to non-show-canon pairings, I enjoy Spike being paired with Tok from Brian Lynch's "Shadow Puppets" comic. She's just the right amount of bad-ass, and she comes with no emotional baggage connected to any other canon characters. Huzzah!
Rebcake: ats_fred_demonrebcake on May 28th, 2011 07:16 pm (UTC)
Wonderful explanation of the beauty of Spike/Fred love. ♥ It comes down to: they'd be good for each other, in so many senses of the word.
Fender Lovefenderlove on May 28th, 2011 07:42 pm (UTC)
Thank you!

It comes down to: they'd be good for each other, in so many senses of the word.

My thoughts exactly! :D Plus, Spike would wear a polo and khakis for Fred. He doesn't pull out the polo for just anyone. XD
Rebcake: ats_cordyrebcake on May 28th, 2011 08:43 pm (UTC)
That's taking love too far...
Fender Lovefenderlove on May 28th, 2011 09:08 pm (UTC)
Haha! Only in Spike's dreams... Oh, a vampire's marital dreamscape bliss...

sockmonkeyheresockmonkeyhere on May 30th, 2011 02:59 am (UTC)
Wonderful explanation of the beauty of Spike/Fred love. ♥ It comes down to: they'd be good for each other, in so many senses of the word.

I agree completely. And I want to marry that explanation and give birth to its babies. *hearts it*
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:14 am (UTC)
You make a lovely case for your ship. I can really see why you love them together.
Rua1412rua1412 on May 28th, 2011 11:02 am (UTC)
I ship Spike with both Willow and Angel.
The reason?
Because in the first case they are so similar and different at the same time that they can work greatly together.
William and Willow are similar: they both liked books, were shy, gentle, caring, and they loved someone who broke their heart.
Willow and Spike are similar because they both made big mistake (killings, abuse, etc) and they both made their best to redeem themselves.
Spike and Angel beside to be really hot (I know, great reason to lship them GRIN) have this century long relationship when hate and love crossed the line more than once.
Lorne's Girl: Elizabethtown - Claire - Stay On Coursepyleanelf on May 28th, 2011 11:04 am (UTC)

I ship him with Xander firsthand, then Angel, Willow, Tara, Giles, Dru... Well pretty much anyone but Buffy! :)

Spiletta42: Faith/Wood kissspiletta42 on May 28th, 2011 02:53 pm (UTC)
I'm not sure I have anything profound to say on this subject, but I think a character who dated Harmony in canon is pretty much fair game for anything in fanon. Personally, I've only written him with Buffy, and then only a couple of times. That has very little to do with Spike, I suspect, and more to do with my focus being on other characters.
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:16 am (UTC)
but I think a character who dated Harmony in canon is pretty much fair game for anything in fanon.

Ha! So true!
treadingthedarktreadingthedark on May 29th, 2011 01:11 am (UTC)
I read a ton of fic, and although my favorite is Spuffy, Spangel used to run a close second until the comic put me off Angel.
But I have actually enjoyed Spike with almost every pairing, even Riley. Xander, Tara, Anya, Giles, Joyce, Wesley, Dru, Darla, Sunday, Lindsey, Tarantula, Lilah, Lydia, have even enjoyed crossovers with Firefly characters that have ruled. Pretty much if it's written well, I will enjoy it.

The exceptions are Dawn, that's a squick for me, and Willow, but for that one I have no idea why. I love Spike/Tara, and have enjoyed Spike/Tara/Willow threesomes, but Spike/Willow, I just can't get myself to be interested in. It's a mystery.
Staringiscaringstaringiscaring on May 29th, 2011 04:16 am (UTC)
Spike/Willow, I just can't get myself to be interested in. It's a mystery.

Maybe its because in some ways they are too alike?
treadingthedarktreadingthedark on May 29th, 2011 07:09 am (UTC)
It's very possible. It's not that I don't like either of them or it bothers me, I'm just not interested.
I enjoy Spike/Fred though, and you'd think that would be similar.