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21 January 2011 @ 09:32 pm
Firefly and Dollhouse - links?  
Hi folks!

So, I've been watching Firefly.

(And before I say anything else, I have to get rid of some Firefly squee - OMG, I cannot believe television can be this good. I am so, so in love.)

And before that, early last year, I watched Dollhouse. Now I know that Dollhouse doesn't even come near the brilliance that is Firefly (even though, I really did enjoy Dollhouse. Especially the second season, but nonetheless, I started to think. After watching Firefly and Serenity, I began to see where Dollhouse came from. From what idea. The whole River story started to remind me of Echo and the other Dolls. It was like seeing an extreme AU of Firefly, where the experimentation with brains went to doll-creating, creating someone as a weapon or assassin. Just that the Blue Hands in Firefly aren't quite there yet. (Thank god.)

So I thought I'd just throw that out there. What do you think? To what extent do the dolls in Dollhouse follow on from the Blue Hand's project in Firefly?

I just think it's interesting that Joss has had this topic on his mind so much. :p
 
 
 
Renée: Firefly. Big Damn Heroes.rogueslayer452 on January 21st, 2011 12:47 pm (UTC)
Joss always had a common theme of governments corrupting others and using them for their own personal gain in his works (the Watcher's Council, the Alliance, the Rossum Corporation) It's an interweaving message that Joss likes to reuse, which is rather fascinating.

In terms of what you're asking, have you watched Serenity yet? That kind of answers your question for you in regards to whether the Alliance went there regarding River. ;)
Gavin F: Liverpoolgavluvsga on January 21st, 2011 02:46 pm (UTC)
I never considered any connection with River in Firefly, though that seems like a fair point.

The thing I always noticed was that the woman who runs the dollhouse (I think - I can't remember her name) - seemed a lot like Lilah from Angel, at least based on her personality.
FreeSpiritbuffyangellvr23 on January 21st, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
The only thing that irks me about the whole FIrefly thing was that Buffy seemed to suffer after JOss shifted to working on Firefly.
FreeSpiritbuffyangellvr23 on January 21st, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
PS Not that it was probably his fault, it was whoever took over on Buffy.
iamfitz on January 21st, 2011 08:16 pm (UTC)
Really? S6 is probably my favorite BtVS season, and that's when Marti Noxon took over, I believe. It's much darker than the other seasons, but S4, while better than I originally thought (just re-watched it), isn't the strongest and S5 had some good stuff but didn't get going for while.

I'm not sure BtVS ever really got over losing Cordelia, personally. A fringe opinion, but one I'll defend to the end! :-)
athenamuze: Dollhouseathenamuze on January 21st, 2011 05:43 pm (UTC)
I believe it was a combo of this and the book Never Let Me Go. Joss spoke fondly of it when he was writing Dollhouse.
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athenamuze: SeeJossDanceathenamuze on January 21st, 2011 07:39 pm (UTC)
If you think about it, you can see where the ideas link, right? It was an awesome book. I read it on Joss' recommendation.
Staringiscaring: abedtroystaringiscaring on January 21st, 2011 07:30 pm (UTC)
Hmmm, I think Firefly benefits on reflection from ending early and starting strong. Its wonderful and I love it, but to be honest much of what was great was the raw potential of the series. Dollhouse is the redhead stepchild of the Whedon fandom but I think that in many ways, Dollhouse shows how far Mutant Enemy had come in terms of writing. They showed that they can write without quick, pop culture teen speak, more diversity in the cast, heavy themes, and a morally dark atmosphere that made Angel seem like season one of Buffy. I think that Dollhouse had its own brilliance especially when it got into its groove by episode five and didn't let up until the series finale.

Yeah, I see where you are coming from.